Note: This will be more about brands available in Europe, but I’ll make sure to include several available in the US. Quick note on European sizing; France and Spain use a one size bigger system; a FR/ES 34 is a DE 32 (will be referring this as EU 32 for sake of simplicity) This is the smallest size available, and has no clear American equivalent due to vanity sizing.
Recently MANGO, a Spanish brand noted for sophisticated clothing within a reasonable price range, announced an expansion: the chain will now sell Men’s, Teen’s, Sports, and of course, Plus Size.
Fashion industry wise; this seems to be a trend. Many chains are cashing in and expanding their size range. But, are smaller sizes being left behind?
Many now have an extensive Plus Size range, such as H&M (note: apparently the European collection is bigger than in the US), and Forever 21.
But how many chains have Petite section? Forever 21 barely sells XS (Love21 does, but it runs half a size bigger, so I’m not counting that) and has a reasonable big range of plus size clothing. H&M does not sell EU32 or XXS, and they offer only a handful of jean models in 24”, but, as mentioned above, has a plus size range. In the Netherlands, there are several stores that cater almost exclusively to middle aged plus size women, such as Miss Etam, their regular section has sizes EU32(S) - EU46(around XXL), and their plus size section goes up to EU56 (around 4XL). Evan’s is an EU/UK online retailer and carries up to EU 60 (USA 28 according to their size chart). Lane Bryant is a well known US Plus Size chain. Torrid’s, plus size chain owned by Hot Topic, seems to be quite popular and well known.
Now, how many chains are there that cater exclusively to petite’s?
People who wear plus sizes often complain that the only sizes left are XS and S. In my experience, this is not the case. Far from it; L’s, XL’s and XXL’s are usually overstocked, and the only sizes left when there’s a sale going one. I’m talking about popular chains here, such as H&M. Sometimes I wonder where these people shop, the magical stores that carry a large stock of small sizes.
Promotional shirts, band shirts, geek shirts and the like are often unisex, and are mostly available in sizes M-XXL (male sizing). Thinkgeek’s women section has less than 1/8 of the shirts in XS, and vanity sizing is in full force: many S’s are more like M’s, according to their own size chart. For example, an S with a 32inch waist on a stretchy tank dress: for example the “I am R2D2 Ladies Tunic Tank” (!comments on the product page contain skinny bashing / real women bullshit, but also people countering with ‘all women are beautiful’)
Vanity sizing is also prevalent; XS’s are turning in to S’s, and usually, there’s no option to size down as XXS are scarce, if they’re available at all. Kid’s clothes often sit awkward, as they do not have a defined waist, and will not work at all if you’re tall, or have wide hips.
Mix this all together, and you get a disastrous shopping trip for petite’s.
In the lingerie industry, this is also a trend. Recently, Sculptresse was launched, ‘for the fuller figure’ for 36-46 bands. It’s a sub brand of Panache who sells small bands, big cups in their other brands; Cleo, Masquerade, and Superbra. The Eveden group, consisting of Freya, Fantasie, Fauve, also has their plus size brand; Elomi (34-44 bands). But; except for most Freya models, all models start at a 30 band in Fauve and Fantasie (note: There’s also vanity sizing issues, Freya’s 28’s run so terribly loose, they might as well be 30’s.) Plus Size ranges are introduced, and the focus lies on expanding cup sizes (such as Parfait, who recently announced several models up to a K cup, but only one model to start at a 28 band).
Meanwhile; there is NO brand that commercially produces 26 or 24 bands. Not many brands offer 28 band, let alone in all of their models. Furthermore, if you’re sized out of plus size bands, you can attach (multiple) bra extenders, but you can’t easily shorten the band (World’s first bra band tightener, the Rixie Clip, can only be attached once, and only shortens by 2 inch, though they’re working on 4 inch clips). Figleaves, the most popular retailer, sells up to 54 band, but nothing below 28.
In general, this section of the lingerie industry also caters to bigger women in other aspects: broad torsos (wide wires!), wide shoulder strap placement (lots of smaller people have narrow shoulders; this causes strap slippage and loss of support), quite often, straps are not fully adjustable (if you’re torso is short, lots of strap slippage), and flimsy encased underwires, causing pain for those with little padding on the torso. Also, as noted above with Freya; vanity sizing. Lots of models in 28’s are loose, and will be recommended for women who usually wear 30” bands. For example, Curvy Kate’s Tease Me runs one band size big, and it’s advised to size down. But unfortunately, you can’t size down when you are a 28” because you know, no one produces bands under 28”!
Basically, if you’re petite, you have no other choice but to alter your bras.
Being thin and tall, or being thin and short carries it’s own set of problems; jeans with length 30 or smaller, or length 34 or taller with a matching waist size are extremely rare to find.
All in all, it’s hard to believe people who say that you have it easy finding clothes because you’re thin, because in my experience, it’s not. Once again, either side of the spectrum has trouble, but the plus size industry is expanding; the petite size industry not.
Bonus! A list for where to shop if you’re petite:
- New Look - EU/UK store & online, has a petite section. Reasonable price range.
- Topshop - EU/UK Store & online, has a petite section. Quite expensive, try to buy when there’s a sale going on.
- Miss Selfridge - UK Department store & online, has a petite section. Quite expensive, try to buy when there’s a sale going on.
- Primark - EU/UK store. almost all their items start at EU32 (which they list as UK6, though apparently it runs one size small, more like a UK 4(?)). Extremely cheap, quality can vary, but great for basics.
- The Sting - EU/UK, a store that sells various brands exclusively. Some brands go down to XXS. Prices vary among brands, generally: reasonable prices to quite expensive.
- Kohl’s - US store & online, has a petite section. Reasonably priced, great sales. (no idea whether sizes run big or small)
- Abercrombie & Fitch / Hollister / Gilly Hicks / Abercrombie Kids - US chain & online, ships internationally. Clothing is often said to run small, but I find it runs more true to size. The kids store sells up to women’s S (girl’s XL), their t-shirts are also waist defined, the rest of their clothes also aren’t childish. A&F is the most expensive, the other’s are cheaper, but still not very cheap. Try to buy when there’s a sale (though apparently, they sell their clothes for much more in the EU, they barely have any sales here, and if there’s a sale, it’s usually only 20% off).
- American Eagle - US store & online, ships internationally. Sells XXS exclusively online (no idea on whether sizes run big or small). Reasonable price range, has a clearance section.
- MANGO - EU/UK Store & online. Sizes are said to run small, and often vary between items/models. Has an outlet site which is reasonably priced to cheap. Normal items can be quite expensive, though I heard they’re lowering prices.
- Figleaves - UK / US online retailer, ships internationally. Offers 28-30 A-J, (selected styles). Prices vary, the bras are much more expensive in the US, but each site has an outlet section.
- Bratabase - UK online retailer, ships internationally. An outlet store, lots of 28D-E and 30D-E sizes for cheap. Outlet bras cheap, new ones regular price point.
- Ewa Michalak - Polish online store, ships internationally. Custom makes 24,26, and 28 brands. Reasonably priced, around €30 for a bra, custom bras cost slightly more, though no more than a €10 fee.
- The Little Bra Company - US online retailer, great selection of 28 A-C and 30 A-C. A bit expensive, around $60 for a bra.
(Mods, feel free to edit if I did anything wrong)
H&M does sell size 32 clothes sometimes, at least in Germany, but there are very few of them. Overall, a good post, and a very helpful list of shops!
Well, there are lots of reasons, of course. To try and suggest that there is one all-encompassing trait that makes Feminism destructive to it’s very target group would be misleading. But in the wake of Maggie Thatcher’s tragic passing, I have briefly ruminated.
Feminists should have been shouting her name from the rooftops as an example of Female Power at its finest. But they are not. Feminists hated Attila the Hen — Absolutely despised her. Yet here she was, one of the most powerful people in the world, genuinely intelligent, wise beyond her years and scope, and not just an equal to men; but a superior to them. She was also a woman, but not even the frivolous sort — Oozing class and femininity, Maggie didn’t need to sugar coat her appearance or communication style. She truly did earn her name of ‘Iron Lady’.
One popular statement made by the feminist crowd on Maggie is;
It is somewhat sick-making to see a successful woman lauded as a feminist icon and to be told any other woman who equals her owes her a great debt; when said woman would quite happily climb over her sister’s heads to triumph. — Sqeamish Kate of xoJaneUK
That much is echoed by ‘BA Fashion Journalism graduate, magazine intern and badass feminist’ (her words not mine), Jenny Anderson of the Huffington Post.
She helped to make career women the norm and she did it unapologetically. However, this is the woman that claimed, “I owe nothing to women’s lib.” Sorry Margaret, but you owe your entire bloody career to women’s lib. Margaret Thatcher never set out to improve the life of women; she was there to achieve her personal ambitions and to do a job that she had fought for her whole political life.
Margaret Thatcher never claimed to be a feminist, in fact she claimed to detest feminism, and I don’t blame her. For in feminism, an ideology rooted only in the necessity of it’s own existence, we see the constant factor that women who were successful outside of their context are invalid — Yet I should point out that the only things feminist women have seemed to achieve, and the only things they are celebrated on, is advancing feminism.
An ouroboros of epic proportions! (feminism’s goal is to deploy women to advance feminism’s goal which is to deploy women to advance feminism’s goal.. etc..)
Women in the context of success in the real world are unimportant, and certainly having the same driving ambition as men in not stopping to pick up the wounded along the way to glory is an undesirable trait in an ideology that, while it claims to want equality for women, only seeks to shun success and subsidize failure in the name of ‘fairness’ like every other left-wing religion.
God bless, Maggie! You are an inspiration to women who don’t want to be trapped by self-victimization, and of the Pavlovian tactics of feminism that have stopped women, a historically caged species, from realizing that the door has long since been open - The world ready at the hilt.
“Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren’t.”
― Margaret Thatcher
Del Tashlin @ Sex, Gods, and Rock Stars in “We Can Learn A Lot From Things That Annoy Us, Or What I Figured Out About The Proliferation Of Loki’s Wives Online.” Read it. Internalize it. He’s right and every person who says they are a spirit-worker, god-spouse, witch, spirit-walker, or whatever other title you use. If you think it might be aimed at you, it probably is. (via rockofeyeblog)
So let me get this straight, you pretend to do something so new people will jump on board in an effort to impress you and be part of the group, which they are prone to do because they want a sense of belonging in the community they are so desperately trying to impress. There is nothing heroic or even honorable about this, you are an asshole, you are a bully, you are not a guide, or a teacher, you are a despicable person. I have to say I have been fairly mean in my life to newbies who make wild claims but never in life have I made something up that pertains to my practice in an effort to make someone else look stupid, that is cruel. I honestly have no words for how awful this is, and how sick this makes me feel.
So, what are immature people like that, who would say anything only to impress a stranger on the internet, even doing in intense spiritual path like being a priest or a spirit worker? Honestly, they should see this as a wake-up call, instead of complaining about what a bully the author is.
I don’t know why but I find it difficult-confusing that there could be godspouses for Apollo when he was so torn that he could not marry all the muses that he chose not to marry the first place??? Like I understand consorts but..?
I have mixed feelings regarding all this godspouse phenomenon, but…
1) The myths are not literal truths
2) A god-marriage is not a literal marriage
3) For a historical example, the Pythias were considered brides of Apollon